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Re: Frank received a rejection letter from Minnesota yesterday …

John The Baker wrote:
wow ! that is like the best thing . in these times of voter fraud and purges. having a victory so huge is commendable. thank you frank moore , I am so proud to know you as my friend. Sometimes I get caught up in , “well a third party candidate is a waste of time”, type of thinking and so to see a victory of this magnitude from the dilligence of one man and his friends is truly inspiring !
YOU ARE THE MAN FRANK.

thanks you so much for staying focused and pour of heart. your innocent approach to this process allows this type of changes in our system. I am overjoyed ! Now I will always believe that other party candidates can make a difference, I will explain this to people using your experience in MN as an example of just how a lone wolf candidate can make a difference just by standing up with persistance to do the right thing.

wow. i am a changed person. thanks once again for helping me frank.
love,
John the Baker

Frank Moore wrote:
john, what a wonderful letter/email! it fuels me/us! it means a lot to me. what we have here is a feedback loop…you inspire me, i inspire you, we inspire others, and so on. there have been thousands of these feedback loops during the campaign [not to mention in life in general]. people who say “but you can’t win!” don’t understand. we are expanding the possibilities in very concrete ways. btw, today in the mail there was the official apology from mn.!

Susan Block wrote:
Wow, tears are flowing, tears of joy that our campaign makes such a dif…
Xo suzy
http://www.drsusanblock.com/blog/

P.S. Frank: You and the campaign should be on Twitter:
http://twitter.com/drsuzy

Frank Moore wrote:
yes, indeedie!

how Frank would pay for all of the programs he proposes!

From Virtual and Open Presidential Debate for 2008

Mr. Moore,

Great ideas on campaign reforms.

How do you plan to fund all the “free” programs you list?

With considerably reduced military, how do you propose to defend the USA against probable attacks?

Respectfully,

Daniel Kingery

Frank Moore wrote:
I’ll do away with all tax deductions for over $12,000 income. Instead, there will be a flat tax of 10% on annual income of less than one million dollars for an individual and less than five million dollars for a corporation. But the flat tax will jump to 75% on annual income exceeding these limits.

I’ll cut the military budget by at least half.

I will also reduce the federal government while raising services to the people by getting rid of welfare, social security, the so-called war on drugs, etc., and by the cuts in the military, the I.R.S., prisons, etc.

We will use half of the money we will save by cutting the military budget to pay down the national debt. I will shrink the federal bureaucracy and again use half of the savings for this pay down. I will reduce the pollution caused by obscene corporate profits.

Basically the problem is not a lack of money, but what we have spent our money on…war, pork, waste, etc. It has been a standard trick to distract us with supposed waste, fraud, etc. in the social programs while milking us out of billions in military waste, corporate welfare, etc.

Today, because of monopolies, we pay much more for drugs and have less access to drugs than most Western nations. The drug companies are searching for what will generate the largest profits, and that dictates the research. This means many problems that are deemed unprofitable are left unexplored. Under my policies, companies that develop drugs based on research done at universities, government labs or other public institutions will pay royalties to those public institutions, thereby making future research possible.

It is to get back to common wealth rather than wealth, to induce the break up of the big corporations, to bring back the control of our society to us the people, to turn away from greed and distorting huge profits, and shift the burden of paying for our common good to those who have the ability to pay. all of this will open up a great wealth of new opportunities for everybody.

Frankly, most of “the rich” make out very well under my plan. In your personal life, do you know anybody making a million dollars a year? I don’t. but I would call that person RICH. and that person would pay at the 10% tax rate. Not bad! The rich…like everybody else…will get $12,000 tax-free each year, free health-care and education, etc. Businesses won’t have to provide health-care or pensions to their workers. Yep, the rich will do quite well. and the wealth junkies can still make as much money as they want. They will keep 25%!

All businesses selling their products in the U.S. will have to certify that their products were manufactured in accordance with this country’s labor, wage, environmental, and safety laws … that they meet or exceed these … no matter where they were produced. This would curb people’s desire to come to this country for a better life. It would also remove the corporations’ motivation for draining jobs from this country. Businesses would pay non-citizen workers at least the minimum wage which would be tied to the cost of living. Businesses that hire non-citizen workers would pay a tax to cover the additional costs to our educational and health systems. This tax couldn’t be taken out of the wages of the workers.

The military budget is so bloated, so focused on the past, cutting it by half would actually increase, rather than decrease, our military defense effectiveness.

Frank Moore is a screwball

Blue House wrote:
I posted Frank’s platform on energy and climate change on craigslist Oregon, and was posted after …

Frank Moore is a screwball

So Frank Moore wants us all to live in small villages connected to mass transit? What happens to all the big cities that exist? If you took away most of the combustion engines in the major cities and put an emphases on mass transit or produced electric cars or hybrid cars you could create a much healthier environment, why would people have to live in small villages?

His ideas seem to be unrealistic at best. He says that he promotes free public mass transit,well who will pay for it? He says he is also for legalizing drugs yet he turns around and says that tobacco should require a prescription. He proposes that he will do away with welfare and social security and give every adult American a minimum income of $1,000 a month. What happens to the safety net for people who have been laid off, and people with disabilities, and people nearing retirement age? Don’t they need that social security and don’t the severely disabled need some form of assistance?

If he completely does away with welfare and social security just how exactly is he going to “guarantee employment” for millions of Americans out of work and not receiving any money? Just think how desperate millions of Americans will become if you leave them jobless, with no social security, or food stamps, and with no money to eat or provide shelter over their heads when they are out of work, crime will triple.

What he says sounds enticing but it really doesn’t make any sense at all, and why would I vote for a candidate who stands absolutely NO chance at all to win?

Frank Moore wrote:
a screwball, eh? well, pitchers will tell you that screwballs are very useful, especially if they are controlled/focused.

cities are actually networks of small villages. living in terms of small villages is much more effective on every level. the less energy we use the better, no matter what kind of energy.

see my platform at http://www.frankmooreforpresident08.com/ to see how we will pay for our proposals. the combination of the guaranteed minimum income of $1,000 a month, lifetime free education, and universal free health care [including long term care and home attendants] will form an effective safety net.

will you put this in GOING ON?

this November [or earlier],

WRITE-IN
FRANK MOORE
for PRESIDENT

& SUSAN BLOCK
for VICE-PRESIDENT!

for a humane, sustainable, and just plain enjoyable society!

See http://www.frankmooreforpresident08.com/qualified_write-in_states.html
for the states in which Frank is qualified as a write-in candidate and
instructions for how to write-in Frank Moore / Susan Block in your state!

Frank Moore has qualified in the following 25 states as a write-in
candidate for President of the United States! Alabama, Alaska, California,
Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Minnesota,
Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Oregon,
Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia,
Wisconsin, Wyoming.

Go to http://www.frankmooreforpresident08.com/ to read his platform and
check in with the campaign. And to find out to write in, go to
http://www.frankmooreforpresident08.com/qualified_write-in_states.html and
click on your state.

Harley wrote:
Hi Guys n Gals – please send Goings On email to harley@franklinfurnace.org
only – this account is my personal one – no need to duplicate. thanks
m’friends, Harley

Frank Moore wrote:
OK

Harley wrote:
grassy-ass! run Frank run = Pennsylvania Avenue’s almost in sight and lord
knows we need ya! Harley, forever dangling carrots

Frank Moore wrote:
better than dangling chads!

New York

Blue House wrote:
It is official (finally got the confirmation from NY yesterday after weeks of the write-ins being under “Executive Review”): Frank Moore and Susan Block are qualified write-in candidates for President/Vice-President in New York state!

Frank Moore wrote:
it’s very exciting!

btw, i just read that they don’t count write-ins on election night. it may take up to a month to find out how many votes we got.

on the campaign trail

DA BOYZ:

There was the call from the polygamist group! Corey went down to call Carlene … amazing! She loved all of Frank’s platform ideas that Corey talked about in response to her candidate survey … this would be reaching 30,000 polygamist voters in Utah! She was especially struck by the simple masterful concept of family that Frank outlines in the platform … marriages would be left to churches, etc. … but any 2 or more people who have lived together for more than 2 years can register as a family, and receive all the benefits and protections that married couples receive today. An amazing call, and she would be sending the list of questions to Frank as well so that he could expand on some of the ideas!

Then we were parking in downtown Berkeley, and getting started! We plastered all of downtown Berkeley. We realized that it was much easier to do a postering night in Berkeley on a Saturday night, plus we knew now that they would stay up until Monday! Much easier than going out on a Friday night after a full day of work and all the other Friday evening activities. We wore our red, white & blue cowboy hats, which people really like, and made our way through downtown, plastering! People were curious, and we handed out platforms to several people along the way. At a cafe about halfway through our route, we ran into this older scraggly guy and a young black guy at the back of the cafe near the poster board. They both knew about Frank running for President. The older guy said that he and Frank are legendary! We asked him what he was legendary for?! He said he didn’t want to toot his own horn, and tried to get the younger guy to tell us, but it didn’t work, so he confided that he has sold enormous amounts of pot in his lifetime, a proud member of NORML. We told him about Frank’s platform on legalization, and he already knew about it. He really liked Frank, loved the platform, and said that people think that this is some kind of a joke when they see Frank’s picture, but this is a very substantive serious platform that Frank has. The younger black guy knew that Frank was running too, but hadn’t read the platform, and we gave him one, and left him reading it … totally engrossed. We gave the older guy a button too, which he loved!

We postered our way back to the car … a succesful night of fliering. It was so neat to experience first hand how effective the fliering is, and how many people are being exposed to Frank …

At bng, on an early break with Nai and Kao, they were watching the news, and Nai was asking why they never talk about Frank on the news if he is one of 7 or so candidates who could actually win the presidency. Kao said that they don’t even cover some of the more well known 3rd party candidates, because they don’t want people to know about anyone except the parties in power, they don’t want to allow for the other possibilities.

Corey was also telling folks about the call from Utah, and the 30,000 potential votes in Utah! Jennifer said that she liked Frank’s platform about marriage — it made a lot of sense!

Checking off the new milk guy, Tom, telling him the latest about Frank’s campaign … and then back into the cooler to do the milk delivery … Kevin of Cultured (raw sauerkraut), Alex’s husband, was doing his semi-regular delivery to the store … The last time he was there, Corey was outside checking off the milk order and talking to Bruce about the campaign … and Corey told him about Frank running for President … he sort of knew about it, but was totally impressed to learn that it was completely for real! Now, Corey had a chance to hand him a platform, and he was really glad to get it, saying he and Alex were going to check it out! Corey also told him about the call from Utah, which he was totally amazed by, and as he was leaving, saying, Frank could get the polygamist vote in Utah!

Also, in the morning at some point, Steve Levine of Excellent Paper Supply was in the store, doing his order for BNG, and Corey and he started chatting about the election. He was disgusted with the process … he didn’t like that his local polling place had been shut down and his only choice for voting now was to do it by mail. That was not an anonymous vote, they knew where it was coming from, especially out where he lived in the country in Napa … He much preferred to go into the polling place and push the buttons, and turn in his ballot, but since Napa county was closing down scores of polling places, he imagined that the Napa elections department didn’t share his point of view! Corey asked him if he had told him about Frank running for President? He had, and Steve had also read the platform … Steve said, so I can’t look for his name on the ballot, right? I have to write him in? Frank Moore? M-O-O-R-E? Ok. Well, I am going to vote for Frank, I’ll write him in. !

Corey wrote up the email about the Minnesota letter to Richard Winger, and it wasn’t long before he responded, and then Corey talked to him by phone too. What would we do without Richard!? Amazing! … reading his blog post later, it was amazing how he could just pull up these court cases to illustrate his point, and now we could use this as well when Corey called Minnesota Monday morning!

We went into Cafe International, and saw Zahara again, the owner … it had been quite some time. We told her that Frank was running for President! She said, Really?? “Well, he’ll be better than this,” and she pulled out a color copy of McCain’s head with Palin next to him, actually her face on a nude playboy-type model’s body! We gave her the platform and she started reading it, loving everything … She took a button too and put it right on. And told the guy waiting for coffee behind us that he should vote for Frank! She said, “He’ll get some votes through me, because I have a lot of influence in this neighborhood!”

virtual debate question

Blue House wrote:
There was actually another question, which I’m not sure exactly how Frank would answer (part of the same post with the question about funding the free programs …)

“With considerably reduced military, how do you propose to defend the USA against probable attacks?”

Frank Moore wrote:
the military budget is so bloated, so focused on the past, cutting it by half would actually increase, rather than decrease, our military defense effectiveness.

District of Columbia

Richard Winger wrote:
did you file in the District of Columbia?

can’t tell from your map. DC is too small to show up!

I am broken-hearted to learn today that Alaska won’t tally write-in votes, even for declared write-in candidates.

Frank Moore wrote:
unfortunately we are one person/elector short in d.c.

i figure that if we had known when we started this campaign 2 years ago what we know now, we would have qualified in between 5 to 10 more states.

Voting…

Paul Escriva wrote:
Hi Frankie,

Just got home from casting an early voting ballot for you.

Have been distributing the buttons you sent for the past few weeks. I even gave one of the original buttons to Tim Miller back in July.

Chicago weather is cold but it is heating up over you!

When will you get the actual count from each state?

Take care,

xo Paul

Frank Moore wrote:
great, paul! keep it up! as for finding out how many votes we got, we will figure that out AFTER the election. now we are focused on getting votes!

Frank received a rejection letter from Minnesota yesterday …

ok, gather around….i’ve a tale of victory to tell…

on saturday i wrote suzy, my vice-president, this:

“btw, i hope you are ready to move to another state if we win california’s popular vote…as chaney did! as if we have to worry about that happening. apparently we can’t have the same electors if we live in the same state…but only if we win in that state!

we only found out that absurdity today! it came up because yesterday we got an official letter from mn informing us they had rejected our forms in july to be write-in candidates [oh, btw,, the deadline to appeal is this week!] because the president and the vice president can’t be from the same state. this was the first time i heard that requirement…and obviously the other 24 states that qualified us haven’t either! so we asked our ballot expert. he was outraged. it’s bogus. we are challenging it! but then he told us about the elector rule! but never fear…if we win california, just move to d.c. early!”

this was the letter from the Elections Division of the Office of the Minnesota Secretary of State, dated OCTOBER 17:

“Dear Mr. Moore,

Thank you for submitting the document, Written Request By Write-In Candidates for Federal and State Office. Your document was received on July 1, 2008.

Your document has been rejected because, for the office of President and Vice President, the candidates must be residents of different states.

Sincerely,

Nancy Breems
Elections Division
Office of the MN Secretary of State”

(The deadline for filing for write-in candidates is OCTOBER 29)

Included in the envelope were three other things:

1) a blank “Written Request By Write-In Candidates For Federal And State Office” form. This is the form that we filled out and sent in to them. It has a space for the name of the Vice-Presidential candidate, and says to print name and state of residence. It does not say anything about the vice-presidential candidate needing to be from a different state.

2) a print-out from the Minnesota Office of the Secretary of State website —
http://www.sos.state.mn.us/templates/printer_version.asp?page=899

It is titled: “Presidential Ballot Access and Election Process”

We have read through this description of the qualifications and process for a candidate for President, and it makes no mention of the candidates for president and vice-president needing to be from different states. In fact, there are other links on this page, including one that says: “2008 Presidential Ballot Access Q&A”. http://www.sos.state.mn.us/docs/presidential_ballot_access_qa_2008gp.pdf
This also does not make any mention of this requirement.

The “Presidential Ballot Access and Election Process” page lists the qualifications for President, and cites the Constitution: “A person must be a natural born citizen of the United States, be at least 35 years of age, and have been a resident of the United States for at least 14 years to be qualified to be President of the United States. (The Constitution of the United States of America, Article II, Section 1)”

3) a glossy printed brochure from the Office of the Secretary of State, State of Minnesota.
Inside, there is a section outlined in pen, under “Qualifications for Partisan Offices Elected in 2008:”

“President and Vice President: Candidate must be a natural born citizen, at least 35-years-old and a resident of the United States for 14 years. Candidates for president and vice president must be residents of different states.”

It does not cite the Constitution here.

so we asked richard winger, the nation’s leading expert on ballot access, who has been helping us, what gives!

richard answered:

“This is outrageous. Many people mistakenly think the US Constitution requires the president and vice-president to be from different states. They are wrong. The Constitution only says that electors from one state cannot vote for both president and vice-president for people who are from THAT STATE. Furthermore, the 12th Amendment says “The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves. Furthermore, in 2004, a Democratic elector from Minnesota did vote for someone for both president and vice-president from the same state. One elector voted for John Edwards for both president and for vice-president. Please get me a copy of the Minnesota letter. I will denounce it!”

he and corey talked throughout the weekend. Richard advised us to call first thing Monday morning and talk to the woman who wrote the rejection letter from the MN Elections Division. over the weekend richard posted this on his site, http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/10/:

Minnesota Secretary of State Rejects Presidential Write-in Filing for Frank Moore
October 25th, 2008

Frank Moore is a write-in presidential candidate, who has been diligently attempting to file for declared write-in status in as many states as possible. He is likely to succeed in 25 states, which will probably be a record. However, on October 17, the Minnesota Elections Division rejected his write-in filing on 12th Amendment Grounds. The Minnesota Elections Division seems to not understand the 12th Amendment.

The letter says, “Dear Mr. Moore, thank you for submitting the document, Written Request by Write-in Candidates for Federal and State Office. Your document has been rejected because, for the Office of President and Vice President, the candidates must be residents of different states.”

This letter is mistaken for two completely separate reasons: (1) The 12th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution does not require presidential and vice-presidential candidates to reside in different states. The only restriction is that if a presidential and vice-presidential candidate do both live in the same state, they can’t both receive electoral votes from THAT state; (2) Even setting that point aside, the residence of the candidate for president and vice-president is only material in December of the election year, when the electors meet and vote. To illustrate, in 2000, Dick Cheney and George W. Bush both lived in Texas when they were nominated. After being nominated, Cheney changed his voter registration from Texas to Wyoming, so that both he and Bush would be able to receive the Texas electoral votes.

Ironically, in 2004 a Minnesota elector did vote for someone for president, and someone for vice-president, who lived in the same state, the state of North Carolina. One Democratic elector, for reasons unknown, voted for John Edwards for both president and for vice-president. Congress counted that electoral vote.

Another point is that Minnesota in the past has placed teams of presidential and vice-presidential candidates on the November ballot, even though both individuals lived in the same state. The Socialist Workers Party ticket consisted of a New Yorker for president, and a New Yorker for vice-president, in 1968, and that team appeared on the Minnesota ballot. In 1968, a New York challenge was filed against the SWP ticket on the grounds that both lived in that state, but the challenge was defeated. The case was Application of Horowitz, 294 NYS 2d 69, affirmed, 294 NYS 2d 988.

this generated outraged calls other than corey’s to mn. so when corey called mn early monday morning, the groundwork had been laid. after consulting with their own legal staff, mn reversed itself, admitting it was a mistaken interpretation! suzy and i are now qualitified in mn! it is amazing that our campaign has forced a few states to change their election policies!

In Freedom,
Frank Moore

Comment on Ballot Access News blog re: Frank’s MN rejection letter

This is from the October blog posting about Frank’s rejection letter from MN on Ballot Access News
http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/10/25/minnesota-secretary-of-state-rejects-presidential-write-in-filing-for-frank-moore/#comments

# randallthayes Says:
October 26th, 2008 at 8:44 am

I emailed the Minn. Sec. of State’s office last night explaining how they misapplied the law and asking that they correct their mistake and accept Mr. Moore as a write-in candidate.

If anyone else wants to contact them, here’s their contact page:

http://www.sos.state.mn.us/home/index.asp?page=42

Ruth Spivak wrote:
Frank,

We got our sample ballots last week. I was so pleased to see your name in the write in candidate area. You are definitely on the ballot in Maryland!

Let me know your final numbers. I will be very interested.

I think you will be interested in this article, if you haven’t already read it. http://tinyurl.com/5wwnn2

Ruth Meyer Spivak

Frank Moore wrote:
yep, it is slightly surreal to see it in the official frame of reality!

so do i have your vote?

John The Baker wrote:
wow ! that is like the best thing . in these times of voter fraud and purges. having a victory so huge is commendable. thank you frank moore , I am so proud to know you as my friend. Sometimes I get caught up in , “well a third party candidate is a waste of time”, type of thinking and so to see a victory of this magnitude from the dilligence of one man and his friends is truly inspiring !
YOU ARE THE MAN FRANK.

thanks you so much for staying focused and pour of heart. your innocent approach to this process allows this type of changes in our system. I am overjoyed ! Now I will always believe that other party candidates can make a difference, I will explain this to people using your experience in MN as an example of just how a lone wolf candidate can make a difference just by standing up with persistance to do the right thing.

wow. i am a changed person. thanks once again for helping me frank.
love,
John the Baker

Frank Moore wrote:
john, what a wonderful letter/email! it fuels me/us! it means a lot to me. what we have here is a feedback loop…you inspire me, i inspire you, we inspire others, and so on. there have been thousands of these feedback loops during the campaign [not to mention in life in general]. people who say “but you can’t win!” don’t understand. we are expanding the possibilities in very concrete ways. btw, today in the mail there was the official apology from mn.!

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